Universal Salvation (Etc.)?

Someone recently asked me to reply on some issues re. judgment (God’s judgment as well as justice issues) saying many friends seem to be talking about God never allowing anything “but good” to come to us and due to that He’d never allow anything “bad” to come our way, etc., therefore no eternal separation from Him or He is no longer “a good God”. What follows is my (edited for clarity) response.

“Without doing a serious Bible study/theological/doctrinal thesis on the points you and others raise on it, here’s my short reply. God IS only good, but His view of good doesn’t always match with human judgment (get it?) on what is and is not truly good.

Grace is real and unmerited favor, mercy and love of God without which we’d all be in seriously horrid soup… and more specifically, hell, hell and other such things have once again been nicely “done away with” in teachings and beliefs. There are those on both ends re. both spectrums who have camped hard in one or the other -it’s either grace or judgment. God is God of both -and He does both perfectly whether we like or accept Him or His Word or His Own sense of right/wrong, mercy and justice or not.

What this all comes down to is not only The Bible but the God that assemblage of books reveals. The murk is not in there as I see it, but in human judgment of both God and it. If there is nothing (and I mean nothing) in The Bible re. God being both merciful AND judge of humankind, both here and hereafter, it comes down to what we like, don’t like, think or do not think. “Personal/direct revelation” alone.

In other words, we are our own “canon”, our own “scripture”, between our own ears. The key doctrine you’re referring to is universal salvation which a very few well-known churchmen believed in over the ages -and I will say that due to a number of issues in each of them (rather than mere scripture interpretation) but that’s another long bit of historical research and discussion.

The real matter is we fashion God in our own image… God made us in HIS image (and as someone wisely said) “and we’re trying to return the favor”. Only the history of humankind is brutal with or without faith in Jesus or The Bible. I’d say people masquerading as God get the sick prize far beyond the God of The Book.

A MAJOR problem is using The Bible to justify our sin, even to somehow erase that there IS such a thing as sin in us, that there is a judgment seat before which every knee will bow -and we are not then nor now on the throne of God.

That again and again is my take on these and most other like issues. There are SOOOO many passages just out of Jesus’ Own mouth in the 4 Gospels alone that speak of God orchestrating and/or clearly allowing “bad things” to come upon His people PRIOR to the day of judgment itself… so this does get to be a “pick and choose” or “re-interpret The Bible to suit ourselves” sort of matter. Which, by the way, has been a common problem from Adam and Eve (“Did GOD SAY…”). Yep. He did.

And in that He is God and perfect He neither needs human permission nor to change due to our judgment -of Him. Whew. Always a mess when the clay pretends to be the potter.” -Glenn

There is still “nothing new under the sun” and further the last passages in Ecclesiastes tell us: “v13  The conclusion, when all has been heard, is: fear God and keep His commandments, because this applies to every person. v14 For God will bring every act to judgment, everything which is hidden, whether it is good or evil.”

As always, thanks for stopping by my site. -Glenn

2 thoughts on “Universal Salvation (Etc.)?

  1. This reminds me of Ezekiel 18 (Especially vv25-29, but it’s throughout the chapter):
    “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear now, O house of Israel: Is my way not just? Is it not your ways that are not just? 26When a righteous person turns away from his righteousness and does injustice, he shall die for it; for the injustice that he has done he shall die. 27Again, when a wicked person turns away from the wickedness he has committed and does what is just and right, he shall save his life. 28Because he considered and turned away from all the transgressions that he had committed, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 29Yet the house of Israel says, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ O house of Israel, are my ways not just? Is it not your ways that are not just?

    1. It’s interesting- and sad, and so much like we the church to blow such scriptural truths off. I love and pray for Israel but in our day most believers in the U.S. take the position Israel (sometimes the U.S. as well) can never be criticized. All positions are beyond reproach and anything that speaks to justice re. the chosen people is flatly anti-semetic, full stop. I love the entire Church and my nation- the U.S.- and at times I as an individual and we as a group, larger group of belivers, nation and indeed Israel are in God’s Own view just plain wrong, rebellious and foolish if not Ignorant because it suits us to be so at times. God have mercy. Thanks for your reply Pilgrim. -Glenn

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